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Was Jesus a Socialist

This is a comparison of Jesus to a Socialist.

There is a significant difference between Socialism and Christ.

Jesus said, "Give to the poor."

The socialist says, "We tax you so we can give it to the poor."

The one is voluntary giving, the laying down one's life (in the form of labor and money). The other is being taxed - that is the money is forcefully taken. I am sure that some will argue this is not forcefully taken but look at what happens if the tax is not paid. It will eventually come to it being taken by force. The tax man will come, then the police (in some form) will come. Either the money or liberty will be forfeited.

Jesus said, "Give to the poor." This act is one that benefits the giver and the recipient. The giver does it out of love and duty. The recipient gets something that is handed to him by a willing giver. That attitude does wonders for both.

The socialist says, "We tax you so we can give it to the poor." The taking of taxes certainly is taking money in a way that the "giver" is generally not a willing participant. In the spirit this taints the money no matter where it is disbursed. The forcible taking places the person giving the money as not being blessed for giving because they are not willingly given. I believe if we willingly give money that goes to taxes that are used to help the poor we have a reward for that just the same as if we gave it privately. And if the person gives the taxes grudgingly there is no reward for it. The way the money is disbursed is degrading to the recipient. They are actually encouraged to lie to get what they need. The system is one that steals from the one taxed and the recipient. It steals money and reward from the taxed and the respect, dignity and at times the honesty and integrity from the recipient.

Jesus never did anything that degraded or stole....

Socialists do it routinely.

Anyone who compares the two as being alike is either a fool or a liar - depending on whether he or she knows the truth or not.

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Comments (10)
#1 by patrick, Mar 2, 2008
i am a Christian. i feel it is a duty to pay
taxes to support society, and these monies should
be used to help the less fortunate. if i feel it
is a duty to pay taxes to help the less fortunate, can
i claim Jesus is a socialist, or do you have
what He is locked up ?

matthew 16: 19-21
#2 by Ralph Brandt, Apr 1, 2008
Socialists take money to give to the poor, aka Robin Hood. It is theft by government. Jesus said, give... It is voluntary out of love.
#3 by Patty, Oct 9, 2008
a Government\'s purpose is justice; the church\'s is mercy. A Christian who depends on the government to do what God has asked him to do is a lazy Christian. Paying taxes is not voluntary, therefore, is not an act of worship. Let me ask the Christian who pays his taxes as a duty to help the less fortunate, are you also tithing--the full tithe? Your tithe is an act of worship, to give to the Kingdom of heaven, given cheerfully. When Jesus came, he did not come and reform the government to make it an instrument of His Kingdom. The hearts of believers is where His kingdom lies. We pray \"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven\"...remember when the Israelites demanded a king when they were given the promised land? God said it was a SIN for them to ask for a king, because He alone was their GOD!!! Why would we make the same mistake of demanding a king (a government) in place of God to do what He has asked us to do???? No-- socialism is an enemy of the devil, a perverse twist of what God\'s kingdom is supposed to be about. That\'s the way the devil works, by the way, it \"feels good\" to those who are being deceived. Jesus said, \"Don\'t be deceived.....\" He warned us it would happen!
#4 by xavier2541, Oct 23, 2008
Josephus, the Jewish historian, states distinctly that there are three tithes. He says that "one-tenth was to be given to the priests and Levites, one-tenth was to be applied to feasts in the metropolis, and that a tenth besides these was every third year to be given to the poor (cf. Tob. 1:7-8).

"These tithes in early times took the place of our modern taxes, us well as of gifts for the support of religious institutions." Smith's Bible Dictionary
tithing is kinda like paying taxing.

but don't forget Romans 13:8
#5 by Ralph Brandt, Oct 24, 2008
This was not intended to be a treatise on Jewish history or Jewish tradition which Paul counted as dung. It was intended to show the evil of socialism....
#6 by Countic, Nov 15, 2008
How sad it is that the original poster make his entire point around "me me me" and "reward reward reward." Somehow...he completely missed the point of Christianity, giving, and the motives of Jesus. Jesus said give to the poor. Why? So that you can have reward in heaven? NO! So the poor have their needs taken care of! If the general American public refuses to give enough to take care of the general American poor...then it makes sense that government should step in for the total and utter lack of contribution in private ways. And if you doubt that, then consider this 2-punch knockout: 1) Jesus stated that currency is owned by Caesar (or...American Gov in this case) "render what is Caesar's to Caesar" when asked by the Jews if they should pay taxes. And 2) Our Constitution EXPLICITLY grants our government the right to levee taxes for the WELFARE of the people. The money you earn, which is owned by the American Government, is to be rendered to the American Government if it calls for the money, AND it can be used to take care of the poor. Watch out, people, for any person who tries to make charity an issue for gaining reward rather than in resolving problems for the poor. Charity is ALL ABOUT THE POOR. It is NOT about the reward of the giver. Anyone who says otherwise is selfish and rebellious towards God with only their own personal gains on interest.
#7 by  Ralph Brandt, Nov 15, 2008
Countic is another of the paper tigers who post anonymously. With anonymity comes irresponsibility. The whole thrust of this response is socialism, not Christianity and the attempt to prove they are the same. It sounds like B Hussein Obama and Joe the tax raiser Biden.

BTW the word welfare in the preamble of the constitution was not WELFARE as in handout to the lazy and greedy but the GENERAL WELFARE of all. This is another liberal misunderstanding.
#8 by Lindoro, Nov 17, 2008
First of all: There is no historical record of what the historical Jesus might have said. Most information we have about him is hear-say. Unless you literally believe that the gospels are \"the word of god\", they are hardly an accurate historical analyses of the teachings of this Jesus. The four cannonised gospels date from about 80-120AD, so long after Jesus is supposed to have lived. Some scholars even doubt the historical Jesus ever existed at all. So, anyone who makes an attempt to represent his ideas on taxation, is in fact indulging in idle speculation.
Second of all: The fundamental principle of socialism has nothing to do with what you might call \"charity\". Socialism can be centered around the thougth that it is the responsibliby of the rich to look after the poor. This does not exclude capitalism as a way in which talented and hard-working individuals can achieve self-realisation. Germany under Schröder had a Socialist goverment that used capitalism as a fundamental basis for its economy. Both can exist next to each other.
In conclusion: I agree with Ralph Brandt that there is no comparison to be made between Jesus and socialism. I disagree with the way he represents both Jesus and Socialism.
#9 by  Ralph Brandt, Nov 17, 2008
Other than your historical dating is pretty bad I agree.
#10 by Lindoro, Nov 18, 2008
Let\\\'s not split hairs here!
Well, I got the dating of the gospels from pope Benedict himself (his latest book). He gives it about 80-120 at latest. But you\\\'re right: what does he know... Let\\\'s give or take it a decade! Point is they were written some decades after the death of Jesus, (if there ever was such a Jesus...)
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